German military rifles
But the defaced East German "sunburst" stamp is just that - it's actually defaced by the "X" stamps. The Kar 98b remained the same length as the Gewehr 98 but was still called a carbine. In practice the needle-gun proved to have numerous deficiencies: As a result, it has a slightly higher muzzle velocity than those arms that replaced it. Thanks for the pics.
The employment of the needle gun radically changed military tactics in the 19th century. There is some debate as to the relative manufacturing quality of each nation's SKS production. The wear pattern in front of the sling swivel was more indicative of a much narrower strap, such as the leather tabs of a common Chinese military type. The rifle has a cleaning kit stored in a trapdoor in the buttstock, with a cleaning rod running under the barrel, in the same style as the AK The upper end of the paper case was rolled up and bound together before the needle could strike the primer that was attached to the base of the bullet; its point then passed through the powder and hit the primer ahead.
It has been discussed a bit already, but there is also a good comparison that needed to be divulged, as there just isn't a lot of info out there on these rarer SKS's. Karabiner-S This particular gun came through an upper Midwest State and was described as belonging to the widow of a Vietnam Veteran.
The second hand information that I have about the gun is in no way intended to be gospel, it is just a story. The purported 37 years that it stayed resting in the closet does seem credible to me. Other than that, I can only present my observations of the gun itself. The first, and most obvious factor is that the gun does not retain the original laminated stock. It is fitted with what looks like an early Chinese or North Vietnamese, with side sling swivel and blade cut slot.
A somewhat mysterious aspect is that the numbers on the buttstock appear to have the letter "R" in the center of the sequence. The numbering is so worn that I will likely never be able to decipher the original numbering. There is, however, a very distinct "V" stamped into the right side buttstock. The sling appeared to be seriously out of place with this gun. It is a modern nylon weave, that seemed to be cut from a ratchet strap and glued together to form the loop. The wear pattern in front of the sling swivel was more indicative of a much narrower strap, such as the leather tabs of a common Chinese military type.
I paused for a moment out of respect for the Veteran who likely installed the newer strap, and then I cut it off. I will save it. Then I opted to install a more era-correct strap, a worn early Chinese. The handguard on the gas tube is the original DDR one piece beech.
And although the replaced stock is inletted to accept a cleaning rod, there is no provision for one in the front stock ferrule, as the East Germans did not employ a cleaning rod with the gun. Moving on to the gun itself, the Karabiner-S is identifiable from its serial number. The "60" which precedes the serial sequence is thought to be the year of manufacture.
A familiar looking German stamp - [K96] And what was once the most visible aspect of the Arsenal stamping, a "sunburst over 1a", has either been X-ed over or superimposed with a Chinese word. Other visible serialed parts. I did not find that to be true. Besides the absence of a cleaning rod retainer, the body of the block on the DDR is much more uniform along the transitions at the front sight and bayo lugs.
DDR, top The barrel itself is a smaller diameter in between blocks. And the gas block is sloped much differently than the Russian. DDR, left Rear sight blocks are nearly identical, the difference it that the E. German has the Chinese style gas tube take-down lever. The barrel collar on the Russian is slightly longer.
DDR, bottom The East German bolt has completely squared top edges instead of the beveled Russians DDR, bottom The trigger group take-down pin has a much larger diameter where it comes up through the receiver, and there is extra metal that is not milled out in front of the pin itself. Difficult to see in this pic.
The Russian is also much more cleanly milled overall. DDR, right Trigger guard is milled flat into the front trigger housing on the Russian, it is raised on the East German. Serrated safety grip on E. German, smooth on Russian. DDR, bottom There is also some extra "beef" around the safety pin on the E. Again, no comparison pics, but look at any other SKS and you won't see these nubs around the safety pin. My two guns with East German influences. And again, the real deal by itself.
Sorry about the long post, but it was worth a look and a comparison. I think we can safely say that the East German Karabiner-S is a design unto itself. It surely doesn't look like a Russian copy to me. Hope you all enjoyed this. On a note to add: The unknown history of what is likely a gun that saw action in South East Asia can be haunting in its own rights. I've always thought a little about the possible significance of my Balkan area guns Yugos, Romies and Albies , but nothing has ever caused me to pause and reflect on the fate of the men who once depended on these gun with their lives like it did when I took this picture of the underside of the front stock on this gun.
The wood has the grooves of the fingers that once held this stock for hundreds, perhaps thousands of days. Join Date Dec Posts 1, Very informative reference post. But the defaced East German "sunburst" stamp is just that - it's actually defaced by the "X" stamps.
It's definately not any kind of Chinese characters. They're very distinct "X" stamps. Just part of a re-issuing process. It's also likely the East Germans did it prior to export.
Join Date Nov Posts Keep your guns close and your Bible closer Sponsored Links Remove Advertisements. Originally Posted by rayman1. Thanks for the thread. Thanks for sharing the info! Originally Posted by mriddick. Originally Posted by Prince I'd call it Extreamly unliklely. The East Germans did not deface the arsenal mark prior to export on any of the others that have ever been seen, so what would make you think this one was defaced by them? Here is a PIC of mine clearly not defaced.
Also there is a pattern with the X stamps and the dots are added too! DOTS on 1a arsenal marks Maybe mine is "more special" since it has no dots! Who knows, my imagination sees some pattern, but it might just be the Merlot. Still do not recall seeing any obliterated arsenal marks on other Vietnam bringbacks from any country. And your contact said it was a Vietnam bringback for sure right? Also assuming counts starting with a new letter after , there are at least 20, rilfes produced in East Germany in If they started with A then at least 24, Wonder what the 1a is for vs my 20z D.
Join Date Sep Posts 7, Purists of the world, unite! I ran it through the universal translator, and it turns out that it is Cambodian for "Made in China by Norinco" Originally Posted by martin Originally Posted by howiebearse.
Martin08, Your question to Howie, prompted me to review the photos in the Oklahoma Examiner article, his appears to be a "1a" also Bavaria remained an autonomous state bound by treaty to Prussia between and and was incorporated into the newly established German Empire in In , Bavaria adopted a design by Johann L.
Werder based on the Peabody dropping block action , to replace the breech loaded Linder. The Werder remained the primary Bavarian arm until replaced by the M Mauser. Further information is available at: During trials with many different rifles took place, the "M Bavarian Werder" was the Mausers' chief competitor.
The Mauser was provisionally adopted at the end of pending the development of an appropriate safety. It was adopted by the German Empire excluding Bavaria.
The action was not based on its predecessor, the Dreyse needle-gun, which had been in service for 30 years. The Gewehr 71 is a conventional looking bolt action single-shot rifle that uses black-powder cartridges.
The action included only a bolt guide rib as its single locking lug, locking forward of the receiving bridge. The now well recognized Mauser "wing" type safety lever was developed for the Gewehr The Russo—Turkish War impressed upon European powers the importance of repeating rifles. The Mauser brothers had been improving the Gewehr 71 design while fulfilling contracts with Serbia.
In Kaiser Wilhelm was impressed by a prototype of a Gewehr 71 that featured an eight-round tubular magazine under the barrel, which was loaded while the action was open.
The bullet was slightly flattened, to reduce the chance of jamming or the detonation of primers in the tube. There was a lever on the receiver that isolated the magazine, so that the rifle could be fired and loaded one shot at a time, keeping the magazine in reserve.
Production ended in after which time the arsenals had produced nearly , rifles; however by the introduction of the French Lebel using smokeless powder and smaller diameter high velocity bullets, made this weapon obsolete.
The Commission chose not to involve or consult the Mausers. The result was the look of the Lebel, a Mauser-style action, Mannlicher magazine, a jacketed barrel, and a cartridge copied from the Swiss. The Gewehr 88 was designed to use the 7. Despite the choice of the Rifle Commission to not consult Paul Mauser in the late s he kept developing better rifles and improved attributes for his firearms, which he sold to other countries.
By the s, his improved bolt design, the introduction of a stripper or charger clip loading configuration, and a fixed box magazine impressed Belgium, Turkey, and Argentina, enough for contracts to be signed. Mauser went two steps further in when he again improved the bolt design by adding an extractor that prevented double feeding from the magazine and changed the single column box magazine to a staggered five cartridge box design.
The magazine now fit in the rifle without any part of it protruding in front of the trigger making it less apt to be damaged while still easily and quickly loaded from the five round stripper clips. More impressively, he improved the bolt again by: German troops were issued the rifle by and used them in the Boxer Rebellion of By the Gewehr 98 replaced all other rifles for the regular army and first line reserve troops.
In the Patrone S cartridge was adopted by the German army. Whereas the previous cartridge was 7. Mauser developed some carbine models in the early 20th century, including the Kar 98 and Kar 98A Karabiner.
They were designed for the cavalry and other forces that needed a smaller weapon. Although it resembled a cut-down Gewehr 98 , with a turned-down bolt it was ungainly and had an intense recoil. This is because in the Reichswehr created another carbine by altering old Gewehr 98 s. The rear sight was simplified from the large rear sight and altered to a more appropriate target range of —2, meters. The Kar 98b remained the same length as the Gewehr 98 but was still called a carbine.
The Karabiner 98k "Mauser" often abbreviated " K98k " or " Kar98k " was adopted in the mid s and would be the most common infantry rifle in service within the German Army during World War II. The design was developed from the Karabiner 98b , one of the carbines developed from the Model mentioned before.
The K98k was first adopted by the Wehrmacht in to be their standard issue rifle, with many older versions being converted and shortened as well as the design itself entering production.
In the name K98k , the first "K" stands for karabiner carbine and the second "k" for kurz short. The "98" is derived from the earlier rifle's year of adoption , although the carbine itself was adopted in The K98k is often confused as being the earlier Model 98 design; however, there are notable differences between them.
The easiest to spot are its shorter length, and bent, rather than straight bolt handle. Less obvious are that it has different, simpler sights. It was intended to be a "universal rifle" for all parts of the Heer rather than having both Carbine and full length versions.
The weapon has a bolt-action and uses 7. It has an effective range of about metres, but when fitted with a high-quality rifle scope, its range increases to 1, metres. The K98k has a five-round internal magazine and is loaded from a five-round stripper clip that is inserted into a slot in front of the opened bolt and pushed into the magazine with the thumb.
The empty stripper clip is then ejected from the gun when the bolt is pushed forward into position. A trench magazine was also produced that could be attached to the bottom of the internal magazine by removing the floor plate, increasing capacity to 20 rounds, although it still required loading with the clips.
Over 14 million of these rifles were produced by various manufacturers. However, this number includes versions of the weapon other than the K98k , such as the Czech vz From to , Yugoslavia produced a near-carbon copy of the K98k called the Model , which differed only from the German rifle in that it had the shorter bolt-action of the Model series of Mauser rifles.
In addition, in , the Spaniards were manufacturing a slightly modified version, but with a straight bolt handle. By , it became apparent that some form of a semi-automatic rifle , with a higher rate of fire than existing bolt-action models, was necessary to improve the infantry 's combat efficiency.
The Wehrmacht issued a specification to various manufacturers, and both Mauser and Walther submitted prototypes that were very similar. The Mauser design, the G41 M , failed. Only 6, were produced before production was halted, and of these, 1, were returned as unusable. The Walther design, the G41 W , is in outward appearance not unlike the Gewehr 43 see below. Most metal parts on this rifle were machined steel, and some rifles, especially later examples utilized bakelite type plastic handguards.
The Walther design was more successful because the designers had simply neglected the last two restrictions listed in the main article. These rifles, along with their G41 M counterparts, suffered from gas system fouling defects.
These problems seemed to stem from the overly complex muzzle trap system becoming excessively corroded from the use of corrosive salts in the ammunition primers, and carbon fouling. The muzzle assembly consisted of many fine parts and was difficult to disassemble, keep clean, and maintain in field conditions. Varying sources put production figures between 40, and , units. These rifles saw a high attrition rate on the Eastern front. Just prior to the opening of hostilities, the Red Army had started re-arming its infantry, replacing its older bolt-action rifles with the new semi-automatic Tokarev SVT38s and SVT40s.
This proved to be something of a shock to the Germans, who ramped up their semi-automatic rifle development efforts significantly. The Tokarev used a simple gas-operated mechanism, which was soon emulated by Walther, thus producing the Gewehr 43 or 'G43' from the handicapped G The simpler mechanism of the G43 made it lighter, easier to mass-produce, and far more reliable. The addition of a round detachable box magazine also solved the slow reloading problem.
The Gewehr 43 was put into production in October , and followed in by the Karabiner 43 'K43' , which was identical to the G43 in every way save for the letter stamped on the side. Total production by the end of the war was , of both models, including at least 53, sniper rifles: However these accessories were deemed unsuccessful in tests and were dropped even before the rifle entered serial production.
It was also not equipped to use a bayonet. The Gewehr 43 stayed in service with the Czechoslovak army for several years after the war. Developed in Nazi Germany during World War II , the Sturmgewehr was a series of assault rifles that were the first to see major deployment.
It is also known by the designations: Maschinenpistole 43, Maschinenpistole 44 MP43 and MP44, respectively , which denotes earlier versions of the same weapon. MP43, MP44, and StG44 were different names for what was essentially the same rifle, with minor differences in production and dates.
The various names were a result of the complicated small arms nomenclature in Nazi Germany. Developed from the Mkb 42 H "machine carbine", the 'StG44' combined traits of carbines , submachine guns and automatic rifles. StG is an abbreviation of Sturmgewehr.
The name was chosen for propaganda reasons and literally means "storm rifle" as in "to storm a bunker" Sturm also refers to the weather phenomenon , adding a second meaning. After the adoption of the StG44, the English translation 'assault rifle' became a common class description of this type of infantry small arm. The rifle was chambered for the 7. This shorter version of the German standard 7. While the StG44 had less range and power than the more powerful infantry rifles of the day, Wehrmacht studies had shown that most combat engagements occurred at less than meters with the majority within meters.
Contracts for rifles firing the Kurz round were sent to both Walther and Haenel whose design group was headed by Hugo Schmeisser , they were asked to submit prototype weapons under the name Maschinenkarabiner MKb 42, literally "machine carbine". Both designs were similar, using a gas-operated action, with both semi-automatic and fully automatic firing modes.
While the new version was under development in late , infighting within the Third Reich was in full swing. This included the production of the MKb 42 H. One concern was that the new weapon used a new ammunition type that would further hamper an already daunting logistics problem. In order to preserve the weapons development, a new project at Gustloff was started to produce a similar weapon using the original Mauser round, the Mkb 43 G.
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Because the breech-loader made it possible for a Prussian soldier to fire five or more shots, even while lying on the ground, in the time that it took his Austrian counterpart to fire one and then reload while standing , it was seen as allowing the Prussians to sweep the field. More impressively, he improved the bolt again by:
From to , Yugoslavia produced a near-carbon copy of the K98k called the Model , which differed only from the German rifle in that it had the shorter bolt-action of the Model series of Mauser rifles.
This was also known as the Potsdam rifle. Join Date Jun Location where the sun always shines Posts 3, The Russian is also much more protectores hepaticos para estanozolol milled overall. The Kar 98b remained the same length as the Gewehr 98 but dks still called a carbine. DDR, left Rear sight blocks are nearly identical, the difference it that the East german karabiner sks. Now that we know "1a" is superior thanks to Martin08's exhaustive scientific east german karabiner sks, we should know how many "bad" units there are. It was intended to be a "universal rifle" for all parts of the Heer rather than having both Carbine and gedman length versions.
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